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Skins Chapter 2, Page 1 by LJ-Phillips Skins Chapter 2, Page 1 by LJ-Phillips
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Chapter Two is set about 9 months after Tyr's fight with Aces. We'll be seeing the fight in flashback in this chapter.

Final design of Rachel. Quite different from my original concept of the character but when suddenly a character stops being a mere abstraction on paper and starts to breath, I'm not going to argue.

Rachel is quite a bit older then the rest of the characters. It's part of the reason Vinnie disapproved of Rabbit's relationship with her. Rabbit was only eighteen at the time and she was his supervisor. 

What do you think of the age gap between Rabbit and Rachel?

Back when she was part of the Coven, Rachel acted as the supervisor for all the main characters at one point or another- a kind of mentor/counselor.  She trained Jordan. 

So she has a far deeper insight into them then most people - she knows exactly where their insecurities and fears lie. And I think her betrayal of the Coven struck them more deeply - with the exception of Vinnie, they all trusted her. 

Notes: Rachel's been the character with the most changes etc. I have three notebooks with sketches and notes on her - all with slightly different looks, occupations and origin. Then I was literally stuck with inspiration out the blue. It all came together and I knew the character.

Skins, Under My Skins and Skins: Silver Handcuffs © and ™ LJ Phillips 2013. All artwork, concepts and related characters are copyright and trademarks of LJ Phillips. Any unauthorized use of the characters or concepts here will result in legal action. Of course, if you want to do fan art or write fan fic of the characters, feel free to do so as long as you acknowledge that I own them and it's non-profit :) (Smile)
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Veska3if Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013
she looks realy awesome :3
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional
Thanks so much :hug: I really appreciate that!
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Veska3if Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013
you welcome ^^
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icyhugs Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I almost mistook her as Rogue :D one of my fav+ X-Divas :D
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional
I love Rogue too! One of my fav X-men :D I applaud your superb taste :clap:


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Korhann Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Who is that woman? that looks like will kill me if keeping looking? :O
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
That's Rachel, my friend :D She looks carnivorous, right?
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Korhann Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Student General Artist
looks like she will slap my face if I make a wrong step with her O_O
If I already don't wanted to piss off Jordan
that Rachel I don't want even cross her path XD
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
You have a good sense of people. Yep, she's not a flexible person at all and she was a bit of a control freak.
But at least Jordan has empathy and morals!
You're right - she'd make a frightening enemy!
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Korhann Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Student General Artist
hehe I really good at times to have a sense on some people, not always though, you did her with such expression that made me think that way about her, good frighten first impression for people that read here 

wow control freak? didn't have another control freak here? XD

yeah, Jordan laugh and make fun at times, by what I see of her, a very delightful kind of person to be friend with, I guess not have any kind of person that hates her :3

I for sure don't want her as a enemy, or not any of my characters XD
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Oh yes, you seem to have a very good sense of people :) Thanks - she just came to life on her own.

Heh, yes, Bunny seems to be attracted to that kind of person. First Rachel and now Tyr :lol:

Jordan still enjoys life and has fun - she can be alot of fun! Ah, thanks :D I think the two of you would get along. 

Me neither! She's a terrifying enemy. And she's maybe the only person Vinnie is actually afraid of!
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Korhann Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Student General Artist
As someone here said to me about Tyr and Bunny, the opposite attracts each other :D

Wow I thought that Vinne not had anyone to be afraid of

And I'm thinking here what would happen to have Tur Rabbit and Rachel on same place?
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zuln Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Student General Artist
wow making Rachel look older made her a bit tougher in my point of view :lol:
she look really nice here :love:
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Thanks so much :D She's very tough, both mentally and physically!
Ah, I really appreciate that :hug:
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zuln Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Student General Artist
that's make her more interesting :la:
btw can you tell me more about her, she's a new face to me :meow:?
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013  Professional
Thanks so much :hug:
Yep, she's quite interesting, right? 
Well, she trained Jordan and she was acted as a mentor for Tyr, Rabbit and Vinnie. She seduced Rabbit (he was only 18 and she was nearly 40) much to Vinnie's dismay!
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zuln Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Student General Artist
she's 40 :omg: if bunny was a year younger she'd be a pedophile :ohnoes: now i see why Vinnie dislike her :nod:
but for an old lady she's very sexy 8-)
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2013  Professional
Well, 39 so yep, nearly 40. Shocker, right? And Rabbit was just legal. Oh yes, Vinnie thought she took advantage of vulnerable Bunny.
Oh, thanks :hug: She's a cougar, right?
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Rachel is definitely pretty and I can see why Rabbit was drawn to her.
As to the age gap, I hate to say it but maybe Rabbit was looking for sort of a mommy replacement? Some (but not all) men who like much older women are looking for someone to look after them and care for them because they had mothers who were lacking in one way or another. Or in Rabbit's case he didn't have a mother at all.
Vinnie didn't like her, eh? I'm guessing he doesn't like most people his kid brother has dated.
 
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Thanks so much :hug: She also had the gloss of high level competence that Rabbit always looks for in his partners.
You know, you raise a valid point as usual :nod: It could well be that - especially considering how young he was when they got involved. If he had been, say, 28 and she was 48 - then it would have been a more even relationship. But he was just 18 and she was 20 years older. So you could well be right. 

Nope, Vinnie didn't like Rachel before she got involved with Rabbit. He claimed she ""smelt wrong" and he never trusted her. Turns out he was right not to trust her. 
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

You're welcome :hug:

And Rabbit probably just thought Vinnie was jealous because Rabbit was spending a lot of time with someone other than him.

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redshasta Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And I'm wondering if Rachel was above implying that to Rabbit.  I'm thinkin' not.
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FreakieGeekie Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Probably not!
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Catgirl19 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Huh, I didn't realize she was older than Rabbit.
Damn! I wanted to see how the fight went!
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Yep, I decided the dynamics work better if she's older. Like late 30's while Rabbit was just 18 - quite a gap!
Don't worry - we'll be seeing the fight in flashbacks as Tyr discusses it with Rachel :nod:
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redshasta Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for saving my comment!  Here 'tis:

I've got couples as friends with a significant age gap, both older male and older female. In both cases, the personalities seem to work together and said couples have been together for an extended period. 

I think that it really depends on a) personality and b) how the older partner works with a younger partner acquiring life experience. It doesn't work if the older partner's purpose in courting a younger partner is the relative inexperience of the younger person. There has to be some equal ground in the relationship where both parties contribute to keeping their connection strong. There's a lot of challenge - a 20 year old simply doesn't have the experience of a 40 year old, which makes a relationship in danger of being unequal.

In Rabbit and Rachel's case, I don't like it. Not because of the age gap. Rabbit is traumatized, Rachel is in the chain of command, she is in a position of power. No, no, no, no and, let me think about this... No. There's so many things wrong with this situation... gah! And it doesn't even have to be something overt or even intended. The power of command leaks through. And she was his counsellor? Ye gads. So, so, so wrong!

In the Canadian military, if you develop a relationship with someone in your COC, you have to report it and one of you gets moved to a different chain. You can't have one person in a relationship making decisions about the other's career.

Didn't the Coven have rules against this? How was her ass not fired? Or was it?

This OMGWTFBBQ post brought to you by copious amounts of coffee.
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
You're most welcome. It seemed a pity to waste such a thoughtful, in-depth comment :hug:

Me too. I think it also depends not so much on the age gap on the life stages of the partners. So a 28 yr old and say, someone in their 40's can work. But an 18 yr old and someone close to 40 are going to have far less in common.

Exactly! You summed it up perfectly :nod: It has to be a relationship in which partners can grow together. But some older partners are more like predators then partners - they seek out someone younger and lacking in life experience. As a result, the relationship is both uneven and unhealthy.

Yep, Rabbit was traumatized - Rachel was his mentor, his counselor and a usual amount of transference (from patient towards the counselor) is normal. However, the counselor needs to be professional about it and maintain a distance. Rachel did the opposite - she initiated the relationship. As you can imagine, Vinnie. Did. Not. Like. It. One. Bit!!!

This is the procedure in the present day Coven. However, the old Coven was so short of resources and quality staff that allowances were made. A blind eye was turned to blatant amoral behavior (*koff* Aces *koff*) '

Ah, coffee :) Believe me, every Skins page is brought to you by oceans of tea :iconteaplz:
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redshasta Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Makes me wonder how they handle Jordan and Vinnie's relationship officially.  I suppose J and V worked together for a while before getting together and continued to work well after, so perhaps the rules were bent for them?  Or officially ignored, since they are so specialized and it's not easy to replace them? 

I guess the psychic triggers make it easier; Command needs to know that Jordan can drop Vinnie in the field if he Hulks out and becomes a one-Skin confirmation of what they say about 'friendly fire'.  If she didn't have that level of control over him, he would be a liability both in and of himself and make her into one - most people would at least hesitate to turn deadly force onto their mate.
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
The present-day Coven has a degree of flexibility regarding inter-staff relationships as long as it doesn't compromise their efficiency on the field and it isn't a case of a higher ranked individual abusing their authority. The current Director evaluates each case of staff relationships on an individual basis and takes it from there. Jordan and Vinnie are both Coven Specialists - that gives them leeway. Although Jordan leads the team, she and Vinnie are close enough in Coven status for the Director to dismiss the difference in rank.

Yep, they do. Plus Vinnie trusts her - that means she can use the trigger more easily. There's less chance of side effects for the Handler or the Skin. Oh yes, he'd cause alot of damage. The one time she couldn't control him - well, Kettletown was the result. 
The Skin version of friendly fire - love your turn of phrase :D
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Undercard212 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Student Traditional Artist

Yay I figured out how to re-post (lol)

 

I thought that I'd hate the bitch who took Jordan's eye, but she looks (don't say hot, don't say hot) nice.

As long as they're both legal I don't really care about age differences. If Rabbit had have been two years younger I would've definitely had problems, but I think if two people have genuine feelings for each other it's nobody's business but theirs.

If she has the deepest insight into all the characters, then I can't wait to see her exploit their fears when the story comes full circle

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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Thanks for taking the time to repost :hug: I appreciate it!

Yep, Rachel's very attractive. But she could be quite ruthless. Like Chuck, Aces and the old Dog Squad, she was a veteran of the human/supernatural war.

I think it might not be the age gap so much as the difference in life experience and rank that Vinnie consider an issue. After all, Rachel was Rabbit's Mentor in the Coven. But that said, Rachel and Rabbit did care about each other quite deeply.

Oh yes, it's not going to be pretty at all! Vinnie in particular had a very nasty psychic encounter with her. She messed up his head pretty badly at one point and I think she might be the only person Vinnie actually fears. 
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RobinHarrison Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013
that sucks
i hope you get it straightened out
and it says a lot about you that you would repost for us while you're so upset and not thinking straight.
no apologies needed:iconsootheplz:
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Professional
I think I'm most frustrated because there were so many great comment I had yet to reply to. I mean, when folks take the time to comment, I always like to respond. 
Thanks for understanding :hug: 
Ah, of course I would - you guys are part of the reason working on these pages is so rewarding.
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RobinHarrison Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013
well, if it helps, you did respond to my comment, so we cool:highfive:
I'm looking forward to this chapter, all the revelations, the plot twists, the up-coming troubles for our beloved characters
*cough* Tyr *cough*:nod:
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
So glad we're cool, my friend :glomp: 
Yep, there'll be lots of twists and insight!
And yes, Tyr's session with Rachel is the first up!
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RobinHarrison Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013
Tyr:iconloveyouplz:
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LJ-Phillips Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Professional
Ah, so glad you like him so much, my friend :hug: It really makes me happy!

You can see poor Tyr blushing for a change in the latest Under My Skin strip fav.me/d6whrx5
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RobinHarrison Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013
very good work, left comment there

as for Tyr:iconbegplz:
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